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[elyse condon]

e l l i e I’m sure your voice is thankful for a little rest. I get it. And I can see this exact conversation going on, very clearly in my head. But she loves you. She would’ve eventually listened, miss hardheaded Cleo. I’m always here to talk too. Whenever. Yeah. I was dumb. It all feels so silly and stupid now. Cliche, to fall in love with your best friend. But now I see it for what it was. Physical attraction mixed with close companionship, and a massive flirt.

[lily mccarthy]

L I L Y My whole body is!! Nice to have the home project, though. I know, I know. It was just a lot of change across the board at one time. I didn't handle it well, but I didn't mean to push everyone away in the process. I didn't realize how lonely it could be, even surrounded by people. And you both had a lot going on, too. Yeah I hate to put it like this, but he coordinated a vacation hookup right in front of your eyes. If that isn't enough to get over (or under) someone, I don't know what is!!

[elyse condon]

e l l i e And now you can fully get settled there! Would you do things differently? If you could? With Zac I mean I am very much over it now. Think even before the trip. I think any person would feel a little sting with that, but was actually completely fine!!! No crying in the corner.

[lily mccarthy]

L I L Y I think I would, a little bit. I don't regret how close we became, he was so helpful to have around as a sounding board because he did understand the fame thing. But I'd have brought it up to you guys earlier. And maybe would have tried to avoid the feelings down the line. But I can't now, and I can't totally say I regret it, either. Just smarts a bit, after the podcast. We were on different pages than I thought. I was shocked when you and Cora walked off together - what did you two talk about?

[elyse condon]

e l l i e It was seriously such a dick move on his part. It just seems really odd to me. All of it. Yeah, was a bit awkward but I rolled with it. In a way I felt like she was wanting to really push it in my head that she was fucking Theo that night and week, and for me to move on. She gave me a few encouraging words. It was fine.

[lily mccarthy]

L I L Y How so? Oof, never a fun conversation. But we're all here for you and rooting for you! I guess while we're in the spirit of being honest, did I mention Sammy Sound Guy's been in town while Eras Tour's been on break? Have seen him a few times, been a fun reunion.

[elyse condon]

e l l i e Idk! Even if you guys were just friends, you don’t do that to someone so..publicly! As you were getting used to fame. Thank you girlfriend. This is the best I’ve felt in a long time! SAMMY SOUND GUY IS AROUND? Spill. Now.

[lily mccarthy]

L I L Y Famous people are selfish people, rule number one I've learned. So good to hear. And haha, yes. He texted me when he got back in town after the tour went on break. Things didn't end poorly so we just picked up having fun - he's been at my place the past few days, whoops.

[elyse condon]

e l l i e Seriously selfish. Ugh. I love this for you. Talk about an amazing distraction??? Like they always say, to get over someone get under another. But also..that’s not always healthy. But I’m supportive!!!

[lily mccarthy]

L I L Y Haha, I can't complain while I have him! Just know once he's back on tour he's gone for the rest of the year. World tour's are wild just in terms of how much time it encompasses. How's work been?

[elyse condon]

e l l i e Reap allll of those benefits. Did your tour seem like a lot of time too? Obviously know a little different compared to the world tour, but sure it felt like a lot of time for us here! It's ok! Since I switched to being a resource nurse, it's been better..I say that with caution. We get shit on more, but it's different every day?

[lily mccarthy]

L I L Y Yeah, it did. I did small shows for my first album so it was kind of crazy that this one took off so much more and warranted a bigger tour. It was such a cool experience, but it's also exhausting and truly takes a lot. I'd love to do a stadium tour, but mentally I have to start preparing basically now! And put out something that justifies it, haha. Do you like the variety enough to get yelled at? lol.

[elyse condon]

e l l i e So you said you’ve been writing, does that mean we maybe have an album that could be justified for it!? Or just a few songs? LOL. Never. It’s insane the way people act. You know I just give it right back, my RBF says it all!

[lily mccarthy]

L I L Y We'll hope so! Still a lot in the works, and honestly I scrapped so many things recently. I feel like people expect a certain type of album from me next considering everything...and I kind of want to do something unexpected. It speaks volumes. You're such a saint, honestly. I have a lot of grace for people but none of the blood tolerance!

[elyse condon]

e l l i e Ooh how unexpected are we talking? Lily McCarthy to shock the world! Thank you gf! It’s a lot of people pleasing too and has taught me a lot of patience. But sometimes it’s hard! You know if you could get over the blood thing you probably would make a better nurse than me, if you quit singing!!